I hate to be that person who is like, “but LOGIC!” I feel like I sound like a 13 year old boy who just took his first philosophy class, lol. But alas, I am someone who is finishing up my PhD in Philosophy of Science, and who found myself shifting over the years from politically far left to being more conservative and on the right. I noticed a left steeped in identitarianism and tribalism, who mobilize emotions like shame, embarrassment, and fear: fear of being wrong, fear of being called this or that, fear of being contaminated by perspectives that are framed as evil or bad, just because the left says it is. In this episode I share my experience of attending last night’s Munk Debate on the Crisis of Liberalism, held at Roy Thompson Hall in Toronto. I talk about my impression of the speakers, what they had to say, their rhetorical style, as well as who “won” the debate by swaying more people in the vote, as well as my troubled reflections and observations on why I think they won, and how the winning rhetorical style is, unfortunately, becoming more and more common. A reflective and political discussion.